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I’ve been to hundreds of Karaoke shows all over the country and in Europe. Each one is different, run by many different kinds of people, but the person behind the show (the Karaoke host or Karaoke DJ — I usually call them a KJ) is always consistent.

Here are things the Karaoke DJ may or may not tell you, based on my many experiences and (gasp) talking to some of them.

They Love Regulars

Some establishments start a Karaoke show in order to draw in more people. This sometimes works. Sometimes it fails miserably.

However, a good Karaoke DJ has a following. If they happen to start a new show in a place hardly anybody frequents, it’s a gamble. The KJ doesn’t necessarily expect the normal restaurant patrons to get up and start singing away (although that would be nice). Sometimes the KJ is limited to just singing a few songs, waiting for singers, and playing DJ music the rest of the night (boring!).

A good KJ will have a social media presence and announce venues and times. And if the KJ has a nice following, their regulars will (gasp) show up.

The appearance of regulars at a dead show is a godsend. The regulars show up, eat (if there’s food), drink (and tip), and sing. This looks good for the KJ who is just starting out at a new venue. The KJ gets singers (win) and the venue gets drinking and tipping customers.

So ask any KJ: do they like regulars? The answer will most likely be a yes with conditions (nobody likes an annoying regular — you know, the one who drinks water all night, doesn’t tip, and sings nothing but George Strait all night).

They Love Tips

KJs make a living on having the most songs, the best equipment, and having a good fan base. They might probably net $100-300 a night at best. Sometimes the venue supplies free food and drinks, but that is in a best case scenario.

KJs still have to purchase the songs, buy equipment (if the venue isn’t supplying it), drive to the actual venue (gas money, hello?), and then put up with insanely drunk people who think they sing like Mariah Carey but actually sound like Rebecca Black.

Most KJs have some kind of tip jar, but (sadly) some venues don’t even allow tipping.

Well, here’s a secret: KJs LOVE tips. I mean love them. Even if the venue doesn’t allow them, I’ve never seen a KJ turn them down.

So what’ll a tip get you?

According to some KJs, absolutely nothing.

Other KJs? Well, a $10 dollar tip might get you a significant boost in the rotation if it’s a long one. A $20 tip might get you the next song or the coveted last song of the night. Most KJs appreciate a $1 or $2 tip per song. It helps pay the bills.

One of my KJ friends had a 30+ person rotation where new singers had a very small chance of getting a chance to sing. In walks a wedding party who wants to sing. They decided to tip their way in to the rotation. And it worked.

So sure, you can not tip and wait your turn, or you can see how a tip will get you special privileges (if the KJ is not being an ass).

Note from the author: This part of the article seems to be the most controversial. I say, tip what you like (a good rule of thumb is $1-$2 per song). It never hurts to ask the KJ if giving a big tip will get you special treatment. The worst they can say is no. And if the KJ says no, it’s probably to protect the regulars, so just sit down and wait your turn like everyone else.

I would never bump someone up for money and most of the other KJ’s I know would never do it. A tip should be for a good job done. The answer is always no.

Scott San Diego
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Some Things are “Broken”

Have you heard the stories about bartenders pretending their blender is broken? It’s because bartenders absolutely hate making blended drinks when they have a full house. It’s a waste of time, the usually don’t get any extra tips out of the drinks, and it prevents them from honoring other tipping patrons who have more reasonable drink requests. So yeah, bartenders will lie that the blender is broken.

KJs do the same thing. If a group of girls wants to sing “Girls Just Want to Have Fun”, the KJ might pretend their extra mic is out of batteries or is broken. Why? Because nine times out of ten, the two mics are given to the loudest non-singers of the group who belt out three to four minutes of horrible, gag-inducing vocals.

One evil trick KJs do is pretend a song is corrupted. Want to sing “Stawberry Wine” by Deana Carter? “I’m sorry, the version we have is corrupted and/or missing lyrics.” Why would a KJ do this? Probably because every single show they do, somebody wants to sing the damn song. And hearing the same song sung horribly every other night can be a real downer. So yeah, KJs do pretend some songs don’t work or they’ll just say they don’t have the song. Bummer for you, but joy for the rest of us.

Drop a Mic or Place Your Beer on their Setup, You’re Cut Off

Want to piss a KJ off? Drop the mic. It’s a quick way to get you booted out of the rotation. It’s either a sign that you’re too drunk to sing, or that you are not capable of holding an expensive object for three to four minutes.

An honorable mention is when someone tries to place their beer onto the KJs setup. You know, the setup where there’s a computer, audio controls, and the like? Yeah, not cool. It’s a quick way to piss a KJ off. Don’t do it. You could get dropped.

One other thing KJs can’t stand: smoking while singing. What’s the point? You can’t go three or so minutes without taking a puff? It’s not like you can smoke and sing at the same time. Just wait until after your song is over.

They Don’t Care If It’s Your Birthday

“Oh, it’s my birthday! Let me sing a hundred songs!”

Yeah, wait your turn like everyone else. Unless you’re a regular who tips, then all bets are off.

Group Songs are Horrible

You always have the same white girls who think they can sing “Baby Got Back” and utterly destroy it. I mentioned “Girls Just Want to Have Fun.” Yeah, I’ve never seen a good version.

In my experience, a group song announcement is three to four minutes of disaster waiting to happen. It’s what most regulars would call a “time to smoke outside” break. Even KJs make their trip to the bathroom during these songs. The songs are fun for the group. Nobody else.

One KJ in Alabama absolutely refused to do group songs, so really it’s up to the KJ’s discretion. It’s their show after all.

There Are Songs KJs Hate

The song “Picture” by Sheryl Crow and Kid Rock? It’s the worst fucking song ever. Every KJ I know hates it. The original song sucked. There’s not much you can do to redeem it.

“Friends in Low Places” by Garth Brooks? A close second.

Show tunes (including Disney)? Save them for the shower.

Sing a Song Longer Than 7 Minutes and Everyone Will Hate You

You know what sucks? A long rotation when you’re trying to get a song in.

You know what sucks worse? A long rotation and someone decides to sing the VERY LONG song “You Can’t Always Get What You Want” or the detested “Freebird.”

There was one KJ in Austin who cut off a girl singing “Freebird” after 2 minutes. She was furious, but the KJ was actually applauded for the decision.

Country Gets Old Really Fast

Most KJs I know love all kinds of music, including country. However, after twenty straight country songs, the genre kinda gets on your nerves.

Win the KJs favor and shake it up with some pop, rap, or alternative. The crowd may hate you for it, but the KJ will appreciate the change up.

When Am I Up Next?

So you put in a song. Buy a few drinks. You listen to a few people sing. All of the sudden you get the urge to see when you are up next. Please don’t.

I’ve never met a KJ who wasn’t annoyed by the inevitable, “How long till I sing?” question.

Keep in mind, if it’s a long rotation (20 or more), they have people constantly nagging them for updates and to change their songs. You are not helping. Especially if you do it over and over and over and over and over again.

When they put your song in, look at your position in the rotation. Keep a mental view or your status and wait your damn turn. If you can’t see your position, ask how many people are ahead of you. They’ll usually tell you. Please don’t keep bombarding them with questions. They have better things to do, like to make the next epic group song sound amazing.

Yes, Your Mic Could Get Turned Off and/or Your Song Cut Off

Some KJs operate in family friendly venues. And unfortunately, the KJs do not know the lyrics to every song in existence. So when you want to sing Eminem’s Superman where there are kids present, the KJ might cut you off in order to save face.

Some KJs have a no cussing policy. Ask before singing. If a song is inappropriate, let the KJs know and ask if it’s okay to sing it. They’ll give you a yay or nay immediately.

Some KJs and restaurants have an after 11pm policy (because honestly, all kids should be put to bed by then). If it’s after this magic hour, anything goes.

Regarding getting your mic cut off, it happens. If you’re really drunk and really loud and spouting nonsense, the KJ might lower your volume or just plain turn the mic off. You’re probably so drunk you won’t even notice.

It’s Their Show

In the end, it’s wise to remember that it’s the KJ’s show. They should be given the alternate title “Drunk Singing Moderators.”

If a KJ wants to squeeze a new singer in ahead of you, that’s their decision. If there’s thirty people left to sing with only twenty minutes to go, they might pick and choose singers (maybe based on tips).

If you’re an ass and get booted, whining to the bar manager or waitress will not help.

So keep this in mind: it’s their show. It’s up to them how to manage to get as many people singing as possible.

Practice, Practice, Practice

If you go to Karaoke occasionally, then this tip might not apply to you. But, it helps to know the song you’re singing.

You might have a vague recollection of Selena’s hit “I Could Fall in Love”, but then totally forget there’s a Spanish part, and you don’t speak the language.

At best, research the song on YouTube. Look at the lyrics. Try your best at singing it. If it’s passable, attempt it. I’ve never seen anybody get booed at a Karaoke show (with one exception, which I’ll keep to myself).

And sometimes, no matter how much you practice, the song comes out awful. Live and learn.

But KJs Love You

The point of Karaoke is for a bunch of amateurs to go out, have a good time, and sing songs they love. Karaoke generally isn’t a contest (although some treat it like one) and nobody expects you to sound perfect.

KJs will welcome all. Have an eight year old girl that wants to sing some Kesha or Lady Gaga? Go for it! Love Frank Sinatra? Annoy everyone with your talent!

Just show up, sing, tip (ahem), and leave the world a better place than you found it.

KJs love it when you show up, because without you, their show wouldn’t be possible.

Disclaimer

So I do not speak for all KJs or people that go to Karaoke shows. A lot of these “opinions” and observations are from speaking to actual KJs, reading list article after list article, and going to my own shows.

Have I made some of these mistakes listed? Absolutely. Have I learned? Kinda.

Karaoke is immense fun when you have a group of regulars, a great and attentive crowd, and a great KJ.

Comments Welcome

Are you a KJ or go to Karaoke bars regularly? Please share your experiences. Rip on my observations. Say that “Friends in Low Places” is awesome (it’s not).

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  1. A boost in the rotation for money (the tips section) is a hot and volatile subject. Any KJ who would do that is one who I avoid like the plague. I’ve been a KJ. I totally disagree with the author’s point of view. I’ve see this kind of thing totally destroy a regular show.

        1. I don’t respect a KJ who lets people buy a place in the rotation. That’s scummy.

          Accept a tip, don’t sell slots.

          1. When people are not tipping, and someone wants to hand your broke, underpaid ass a 20 to sing…take that shit. I am a KJ, and I have to feed my kids more than just top ramen…sorry. If everyone is tipping and someone wants to tip bigger to sing, then maybe not, because collectively, everyone’s tips equals more than one guys 20 and therefore, this WOULD mess up the integrity of a show. But when zero, plus zero, plus one dollar, plus zero, plus two dollars, plus zero, plus zero does NOT equate to more than 20, I do NOT feel bad taking a much needed and deserved tip for someone who wants to set the RIGHT example of how this particular group of service professionals should be treated.

          2. Its a good thing im reading this now, because i think i can learn something from the above articles, regarding karoke. I could tip at least a dollar for every song i sing, to help the kj out. That’s if they’re friendly though and have a great sounding system, etc.

        2. Your absolutely right. I’m a kj myself. Never fuck with the rotation, especially for a bribe. A great way to loose singers.

    1. Agreed. A KJ who doesn’t run a fair list (read: everyone waits their turn, even the regulars and the tippers, and newcomers get slotted into rotation in a fair way) is a KJ I will avoid.

      I can understand a KJ trying to make money by letting people buy their way up the list. But one has to wonder if it is worth ticking off the people who are waiting their turn and seeing the same person sing two (or more) times while they wait.

      1. From the KJs I know who do accept tips, I’ve never seen the special treatment extend past one rotation. The only time I’ve seen someone thing twice or three times in a rotation is if the person gets called up for duets with other singers.

        1. “I” know a kj who would focus on his “regulars” kinda crowd. He would put new singers toward the back of the rotation. He chose his regulars over the other singers at times. I know this because I used to sing in his shows. He’ll call his regulars up to sing when its their turn, before new singers. He’s not being very fair in that regard.

      2. I completely understand and don’t get pissed off when the rotation gets pushed back because of a high tipper. We all have that option, and choose to hold onto our money. Fair trade. It is a tipping industry. Is it fair is a bartender takes care of you first when other people are waiting, but you tip large so you don’t have to wait longer for your drinks?

    2. I agree. As a KJ with regular shows each week, tips to move up the ladder in the rotation, is not only unfair, but unethical. everyone waits their turn including the regulars. When NEW (First time) singers come, meaning they have not sang yet that night, i usually slot them into the rotation in a fair manner for both the new signer and those who have been patiently waiting. If the rotation hasn’t gone around at least once, no one gets slotted in new or not, they get put to the bottom until the rotation has made its round robin at least once.

      Accepting tips if fine, but not for favors, any KJ worth their weight in salt, knows this rule and adheres to it, because they don’t want to piss off their regulars. its the fastest way to kill a weekly show, trust me the regulars will boycott your show, until you quit, get fired or get replaced, then they’ll return to see what the next guys got. Or worse they wont return and you end up hurting the bar. either way not good practice at all.

      As a side note, accepting tips is all well and good, however, i dont do it and none of the KJs i know do it. a GOOD KJ who can produce a HIGH QUALITY SHOW, doesnt need a tip jar, it makes their show look like a rinky dink production. If theyre good, they can command a certain figure which more then covers their costs for producing the show each week and then some.

      1. AJ. We agree with you 100%. The new singers go to the end of the rotation and we can not be bribed. As the cooler months approach, our Friday night show grow to as many as 40 singers. You get to sing once and then there’s 15 minutes left in the 4 hour show (we do 2 dance breaks). The last ones are “DJ Choice”.

      2. I absolutely agree with AJ 100%. At our venue no tip jar ( very tacky) and no tips accepted. Regulars have been waiting patiently and eating and drinking all night. We also do not support KJs that bump people up for money and can’t stand the KJs that bump their buddies up.

    3. love that Willem, I am a KJ and have been at it for 13 years, I have turned down 50 a few times and the people couldn’t believe it. My integrity is not worth the few bucks.

    4. I totally disagree (I’m also a KJ). I’ve had people ask me why so-and-so got to sing in front of them. If I reply “cuz they tipped me $20” I’ve never had anyone say that I should have turned them down. Not everyone is going to tip to get pushed up in line, so whats the harm in it happening every once in a while? And then my bartenders get an extra big tip from me that night!

      1. I agree Jessica, I do it occasionally and that’s the same answer I give them and they’re usually ok with it and I usually will only do it once per night for that singer. If he/she wants to do it again within the same same night I’ll usually turn it down as that will surely piss off everyone else. In the 10 years I’ve been doing it on regular basis (every weekend) I’ve only had one major complaint and the following weekend she apologized and she’s still a regular. My show has never suffered.

    5. I agree with you.kj,s get paid.tips should not be a factor in rotation.if someone else goes before me I’m leaving and not coming back.totally unacceptable

    6. Agreed. The only times I push people up is if I’ve made a mistake in their song, then I boost them to make up for it. And I always tell the crowd why.

      If I have a new singer who admits to this being their first time, ill push them up before they chicken out.

      On the other side, when there’s 15 in the queue, and some mathematically challenged shithead tries to complain about waiting 20 minutes, all it takes is butthead attitude and they go right to the end of the line. Always seems to be the same ones, too.

    7. I can say worse… There is a KJ who will totally ruin a person’s voice with equalizer settings or pitch changes when that singer sounds better than her. Myself, and a few friends strained vocal cords trying to get out the pitches that were being filtered. What can we do? Not a thing but put down the mic because she will get an attitude if you let her know exactly how her sound system works because you have the same system at home…

  2. I have been a KJ for 15 years. I do NOT move people up in rotation just because they tip. And the majority of the people that ask me and get turned down tell me they don’t like it, but they respect it. I usually have 25-30 people in line on any given night. I let someone walk in the door and sing within 5-10 minutes when others have been waiting for 30-40 I’ll have pissed off customers. If you get ticked off because I won’t bump you up… I can handle you. If the other 25-30 get mad, I’ve got a problem. And believe me, drunk or not, they pay attention to the rotation.
    I will happily accept and appreciate tips. But it does nothing to your spot. Sorry…

    1. I tip if there’s a jar available, but I don’t expect it to get me any favors. I tip because the KJ is doing a good job and running a good show (see my other comment about a fair list).

    2. I tip whenever I have some money I feel like I can part with, but sometimes all I can afford to do is buy a few beers. Am I just supposed to stay home because I don’t have as much money as some people? Just in case it matters I sing songs that a lot of people haven’t heard before or don’t hear very often. And most people think I’m damn good at it so it helps break the monotony of hearing the same old standards over and over again.

  3. I am an active KJ with over 4,000 shows in 12 years under my belt. My policy is no bumping up for tips. It’s a great way to loose your regulars. Do you tip your waiter/waitress for extra fries? Or for a job well done? Also, bad singers are necessary, as it gives confidence to new singers who may otherwise feel intimidated. Also, what’s more annoying, 20 country songs in a row, or 20 pop songs? According to you, country. But isn’t that just a matter of opinion? And where your from? Remember, a good article should be non-bias.

    1. No bias? That’s no fun. I’m not a news site.

      This article was written to incite conversation with some controversial observations, and for the most part people are engaging whether they agree or not.

    2. How exactly have you done 4000 shows, have you been out there every night for the last 12 years? I’m calling BS, and don’t start talking about journalistic integrity if you don’t know proper sentence structure.

  4. Thank you! I appreciate you writing this very much! I’ve been hosting karaoke for 23 years now and most of your observances are spot on. You missed those who come in and hand in 8 slips as if they are the only one there to sing (my one song at a time policy notwithstanding) & let’s not forget little drunk girls trying to sing “Baby Got Back” there is more to the song than just the opening ladies & you will likely never be able to keep up so please stop. Right on with “Picture” (I’ve said the same as you, shit original & well…y’know). On the music (country, show tunes etc,) well those are dependent on the venue, just try to say show tunes are no fun at a gay bar…pshaw! As for tipping for bumping, I am with most KJs, I don’t encourage it, but if people ask I say it STARTS at $20 to move you up (not immediately ever) in order to discourage the behavior. Sometimes it is important enough for them to sing and someone will throw a $50 or even more well, then you kinda have to look at your room & decide if it’s worth it, pissing off regulars is sometimes not worth it at all. Patrons should realize that often we are not paid what we are worth. We bring our following to their bar but yet they pay us very little so a little tipping indeed goes a long way. Finally, on the dropping of mic & poor handling of our equipment…my biggest thank you! My one bad review was due to my cutting someone off (& down) for dropping a mic. Why should anyone assume mishandling what I pay for and others need to use is proper behavior well that is poor breeding imo. LOL! I’ve stopped producing song books because it got so expensive to replace them so now my list is online & accessible from your smart phone (now I face lazy ppl who can’t seem to type 4 letters into their browsers…ugh!) In short, ppl need to realize that is not so much our (KJs) show but more EVERYONE’S show. It should be a fun & shared experience, come to a karaoke show as an entitled little twit and you suck the fun right out of it! Thanks again! .

      1. I also use songbookslive.com, but most of the time people are to drunk to navigate on their smartphones. People look at me like I have 3 heads when I tell them I don’t have books. Why, so you can spill beer all over them after they cost me a lot of money to make and keep current? If you want to sing Billy Joel, I probably have it. I DO NOT have anything by Godfart, Sevencow, or any other band with a stupid, anti-establishment name. It’s Karaoke folks, not underground radio!

        1. I help host occasionally, and someone tried to give me a lecture on why I should have this obscure band, etc. We absolutely will get an obscure song, but there needs to be a karaoke version to purchase!

    1. Love this I’ve been a kj/dj for a little over 9 years now and am like you tired of buying books! How in the world did you get your song list over the net???? Please help me with this lol

  5. No tip is worth pissing off the folks that have been patiently waiting. It’s a good way to permanently lose return business. The song “Picture” is unfortunately a necessary evil. One song that is absolutely off limits is “The End” by The Doors. No way! It ain’t gonna happen buddy! And you forgot the self proclaimed superstar that tries to sign up 15 minutes before closing when you got a rotation of 20 or more. Funny how most of them use the excuse “but I’m better than them!” Yeah bud, insult my guests. That’s really gonna change my mind. NOT! But overall your article was spot on!

  6. Sometimes KJ and often singer:

    I’ve been to bars where the KJ would only let you sing if you tipped him. Went there once.

    The other thing about mics: DON”T THUMP THE MIC! You can damage the speakers.

    Tipping is a regional thing. Some areas, there is no tipping. Other areas I’ve been to, everyone tips.

    One of the hardest things for a KJ is duets. An occasional duet is fine (I personally love to sing duets) but don’t sing 4 in one rotation! All you do is get the other singers waiting their turn mad at you (I know one KJ who, if you sing a duet, it counts as both your turns; a little extreme, but solves the problem).

    I’ve personally never met a KJ who hated 20 country songs in a row. Must be a personal thing. However, I’ve met many who can’t stand to hear even a single rap song. Listen to what other singers are singing in a venue If you know a song in that genre, try and sing it.

    1. Duets are cool, but it can be annoying when there’s a large party with songs lined up and it’s pretty much them singing for 3-4 songs in a row.

      I’ve never met a KJ who hated rap, but don’t doubt they exist. Rap is HARD because they’re usually fast songs and hard to keep up with.

    2. Totally agree with your comment regarding country vs rap. Totally prefer country songs. I’ve been hosting karaoke for 23 yrs.

  7. It’s amazing how many people “used to run a show.” It seems like 60-75% of the people that are constantly bothering me with trivial bullshit used to be a kj. Apparently the majority of America, at one time or another, hosted a show. That being the case, you would think they would understand business just a little bit better. Everyone gets good service, big rippers get much better service. Isn’t that the way society works in most capitalist countries?

  8. I have hosted karaoke for over 15 years. I was actually branded a nickname by some people which stuck. The Karaoke Nazi. I never take tips, Never bump anyone up (and I’ve heard EVERY EXCUSE….I’m leaving soon, it’s my birthday, my parents are here and aren’t staying long, I have cancer {yes, that was used}…..ALL of them). I also believe if you are holding a mike and singing into it, duet or solo or harmony, you are SINGING and counts as your song in the rotation. Period. I also do my best to make all my singers sound as good as they can on the system. For really drunk people, it rarely works….but for really shy ones, it works wonders and they gain tons of self confidence. I have a huge following mainly for this reason and the fact all my regulars know I will NEVER cheat them. They appreciate that. As for songs, spot on with Picture and Friends in Low Places….but add Paradise By the Dashboard Light and Don’t Stop Believing….as well as about 100 others….to many to name.

      1. I also agree with the “no more” song lists… Can we also eliminate “Fancy” and “Granpa” and that other gawd awful F/F duet, “Does He Love You”…

        Abuse my equipment? Before I agree to club work, I have a convo with the bar owner/manager and it goes something like this: “I paid a good deal for this equipment and, while I know stuff happens, if someone comes up to me that is abusing me or my equipment, I’ll be calling you to come and get them and either remove them from the stage or my work area or I’ll shut down the show. If you’re good with that, then let’s go. If not, then I’m not the right KJ for you.” I don’t WANT to have to use my insurance or to throw my weight around. Besides which, I’m not 5 foot tall and guys (especially drunk ones) see me as bait… or a punching bag for some reason. They think screaming or acting intimidating is going to get them what they want? I don’t think so.

  9. I don’t go to karaoke shows where bribery is the way to get to the stage. Fairness is key to a successful show. It’s a sad state of affairs when the KJ is so desperate for a few extra dollars that he will sell his integrity for it. If you need more money; ask the venue owner for a raise. Then you won’t have to worry about your regulars looking for a new show to patronize where they won’t get treated like second class citizens.

    1. I’ve never been to a show where you had to “pay” to sing. One of the commenters above did mention that a KJ required this. Yes, if I had to “pay” to sing, I would avoid the show like the plague.

      Tipping is another matter and it appears from the commenters that this is not a good practice for regulars, but some still do it anyways.

      1. I’ve been hosting karaoke for only 3 short years. One bar I worked in would cut my show short…and my pay, if the customers were not buying enough drinks. After the second week of this and singers or dancers still wanting to play, I started playing well on into the night on a $1 a song, ONLY after the bar cut me. It was a big hit for the customers as they got to continue singing or dancing and seen it as a big “f#โ‚ฌk you to the establishment. The bar was happy because they still sold some drinks and their staff earned some tips and they were no longer paying me. I gained a couple very loyal singers from that decision. Neeess to say, thaT venue was short lived, bUT the singers I gained still sin withat me aNT my new venues.

  10. Really Bob? Is your server selling their integrity? What about your valet? Skycap? Someone wants to make my electric payment so they can impress their girlfriend and sneak in before you in the rotation, I don’t care, and quite frankly, if you don’t understand that, your kind of an asshole. I agree with not letting people take over a rotation, but judiciously inserting big tippers here and there is not that big of a deal.

    1. I have been hosting karaoke for 23yrs & tend to agree with this, as KJs have to spend money to make money…. servers, valets, etc, do not. Very few young people tip at all, to any servers of any kind, come for the ‘cheap beer’ nights, run servers around for water and leave a mess, (near a college). So, if they tip, I will pay better attention to their standing in the rotation…. $1 will not get you bumped but will get a sincere Thank You… I remember the days of good tippers, that seems to have died. It usually takes me 6-8 months to recoup one batch of updates & if you don’t have ‘their song’ they look at you like you must be nuts…. over 150k songs & they cant find even 1 they want?!? The music I play has ALL been purchased legally & license fees ($6K annually) paid to play it… NOT true for many venues. I do love regulars that come to sing & spend a little money for drinks & food… look forward to seeing them.

  11. By the way, my regulars get put into rotation before they ever arrive, they are given priority when I have more singers than time, I have done free private parties for regulars that have asked, and go out of my way in other ways to let them know they are special. You definitely want to take care of your regulars, on the other hand, your regulars should understand when things may not go there way. They realize the special treatment that they get on a regular basis and shouldn’t mind if people, on occasion, slip in a few extra songs due to tips. After a time, these regulars become your friends, that’s probably the best part about the business. I take care of my friends and they take care of me. If it’s a one sided friendship, where I am catering to them with no return, then it is nothing more than a client/customer relationship and that means the client with more disposable income that they are willing to part with is the one that will get more of the service that I have to sell.

  12. Seriously, I agree! But for the annoying song/ hate songs, I’ll add ” Bohemian Raphsody”, ” Man I feel like a Woman ”, ” I don’t wanna close my eyes”, ” Wannabe”… And sadly, they’re all sang by groups who scream in mic more than singing the damn song. Words of an Ex Kj.

  13. “My Way” and “New York, New York”, along with “New York State of Mind”, “Piano Man”, “American Pie” and most stuff from Elton John will incur my wrath. Just stop it.

  14. I’ve worked as a KJ, on and off over the years, and I have never been offered tips. I don’t believe I would accept any if I was. It just wouldn’t be fair to the others that have been waiting.

    The only major problem I have faced, over the years, is having left my singer’s list…………WHERE THE CLIENTS COULD SEE IT (which included the number of times that they had sung)………….. My Bad! ………… I admit it! …………. Will never do it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    You get someone who arrives early (9PM) and sings often, we’ll say 10 to 15 songs, before the crowd starts to arrive (11H00 to 11H30PM). You’re list gets longer. the waiting time gets longer and sometime around 12H30 AM, someone, who has had a little to much to drink, sees that “That” person has sung 10 songs and they have only sung 2!!!!!!!!!!! Boy! did I get an earful!!!!!!!

    Before you ask, Yes, I could have played music until the crowd arrived but when I asked, the boss told me to do the karaoke. I could put music later in the evening. (Guess he wanted his money’s worth and didn’t want me sitting around and doing nothing)

    As for songs I can’t take anymore = “I WILL SURVIVE” ……………..Please don’t hate me ladies………..

    ******************************************************************************************,

    I’ve also been “Singing” for over 15 years in different karaoke bars, in and around the Montreal – Area, and I’d like to add a comment for singers:

    I am forever trying new bars, just for fun. I keep coming up against “The Jealous KJ”.

    “AND NO!” I am not imagining it. Many of my friends told me that they noticed ***it (see below) and THEN I started noticing it, myself.

    ***”He” would either mess up the song by changing the tone, lowering or raising the volume of the song or the mic, because I sounded better than “He” did!

    It happened to me, once more, just two weeks ago. I was near the end of my song and the music was cut off. I finished the song anyway and just didn’t make an issue of it. Needless to say, I will not return to that particular bar.

    Funny thing about it is that I have not had this problem with Female KJ’s………… So I’m wondering…….. Any girls out there ever come across this problem????

    Let me know.

    1. Yes, James, I have experienced that jealousy a few times & usually they try to make me sound bad or just never call me back up… so, I don’t go back. Also, I wont have their back when someone complains to me about their show.

      1. I’ll just let them complain. No sense in giving fuel for the fire (as “they” say). I go out to have fun and I’ll never understand why people go out to be miserable.

        I even stopped a fight, once between two “6 foot kids” (I won’t call’em men when they fight. Note: I’m 5’5″) By placing myself in front of the nearest chest and asking him why had he come out to the bar, that night. Reminding him that he had come out to have fun, he calmed down and the night went back to normal.

        I’ll be calling myself James1 from now on because I noticed that there is another James, here. Without a photo, you will never know who is who!

        Have a great day, Diane

    2. I have experienced this many times. This is why my number one rule is to not put myself in the rotation. I do not like to put myself in the position of competing with my female singers for songs, its their show not mine. I often have regulars request that I sing, and in this case I sing something very non showy (on purpose).
      As far as rotation. This is a business, I am in a bar/club and its all about them having a successful night. My feelings are that if you get there early and start spending money on food and booze, why should someone come in buy one drink and bump you on the rotation. I always ask myself is this good for the business I am here serving? If its a huge group of new singers I bump them in a little at a time… I communicate with them and let them know how I will be placing them into the rotation. I won’t sacrifice the regular business supporters for someone who likes to come in get their song in for a single beer and leave. If the business is not making money on Karaoke… The Karaoke goes.

  15. I’ve been a kj in the Palm Springs area since 1997 and I must say, your article is awesome! I shared immediately with my regulars to educate and enlighten. The only thing I don’t do is say a file is “corrupt”, but I do joke about it. (especially when they request Picture, lol) Also, I don’t mind the “group” song. Sometimes shows can get “ballad” heavy and group songs are usually fun and danceable. (and having drunk, usually pretty women singing isn’t such a bad thing, lol) I call up tempo songs my “ballad breaker uppers”. On the tipping subject, kj’s who say they don’t take tips, seems silly. There is a difference between” tips” and “bribes”, which I polite fully explain to the patrons. Why would you not accept a tip from people who want to reward you for putting on an entertaining evening? But yes, bribes are different and should be handled delicately as to not piss off regulars. (and yes, I LOVE my regulars!) Great job, I think you got into my head. SCARY!

    1. I would not share this guys post with anyone. It is not educational or enlightening. But I guess you have the same standards as he does which is very low in my opinion. I only saw a couple things that is appropriate. I go to karaoke on a weekly basis and have been for a really long time and if any of them were run this way I would walk out and so would all of my friends and as I have told several others. Get a life people there is nothing wrong with the song “Picture” one of my KJs actually asked me to sing it with him as a duet and we did a awesome job. Maybe you cannot sing it or have never had anyone that could or maybe you dont like it but it doesnt matter, it is not your choice. It is karaoke, people should be able to sing what ever they choose. I dont like to hear Cursing or garbage when people are singing but your know what it is not my song and i tolerate it because it is that persons choice and at least they are trying something. If you KJs cannot do your job how it is supposed to be done or do not like your job then you guys may need a back plan. It is Karaoke for a reason, not professional singing, none of us are stars.

      1. Yes, Paula. You have an opinion, just like Ronald and the rest of us. I find it rude that you suggest people with a different viewpoint are somehow inferior or incompetent.

        P.S. Wally agreeing with each of your rants is the Comments Section equivalent of picking awful duets all night ๐Ÿ˜›

  16. I’ve been running a karaoke show for awhile now and I say I will take tips. I’ll even put a tip jar on my table. I try to discourage bribes to get up faster in the rotation but if a person is gonna hand me $20 then I will let the crowd now by saying “someone said the magic words”. Every time I say that I get someone coming up and asking me what the magic word is, and when I say $20 or $50 they always walk away understanding. I’ve only had one person get mad at me for that. Too bad. On the other hand though, I refuse to do that when I have like 30 or more people. I like tips, not riotous crowds lol. Always know when to say no.

  17. I have never, and would never let anyone buy their way into a better slot in rotation. Sorry, just won’t do it. I haven’t ever cut anyone off, I don’t tell people that songs I don’t like, are corrupt. Once I get more than five or six singers I usually bow out of the rotation, cause it’s not about me. I like regulars, and I like new people, especially when they become regulars. I am fine with group songs. I don’t allow beverages or ashtrays near my equipment. Dropping the mic by accident will bother me, but I don’t get crazy about it, unless it becomes a habit. I use a compressor, but I still don’t allow yelling into the mic, cause it is quite annoying. I try to make the whole thing as fun as possible and I try to be as fair as possible. I appreciate tips, but I don’t always put out a tip jar. it depends on the venue.

    1. That’s the way I work too. I sing one or two songs to start the night (My way to check the equipment and maximize the quality of the sound), then I sit back and let them sing. (unless they need a duet partner and none are available.)

      Just noticed, more than one James so I’ll call myself James1 from here on out!

  18. Goodness, I know understand why I sometimes get the question “Do you have Picture?” or Summer nights or Paradise by the Dashboard Light. I always suppress the eyeroll and groan and answer brightly “Of course I do!” Ya’ll are giving the rest of us a bad name ๐Ÿ™‚

    Just because we, as KJ’s, have heard the song a bazillion time doesn’t mean they’ve sung it a bazillion times. I know, we get weary of certain songs and certainly can grouse about it, but seriously, we are paid to entertain them and if they want to sing Picture they get to sing Picture.

    It’s kind of funny reading all the songs various KJ’s don’t want to play or hear again. At one of my shows I only have 6 – 8 regulars and then a ton of groups just out for a random fun night. To get these groups going I start playing roulette with them. First I get my partner up singing Friends in Low Places and he wanders out to the crowd with a couple of mikes, within a minute he’s no longer singing and a group is having a blast… they are hooked. I then call the group up for Sweet Caroline, I’m a Believer, or Any Man of Mine and a bunch of others. songs most people know and can get up and have fun with. Groups that would have stayed for a round of drinks and moved on stay for a couple of hours.

    I DO have 4 songs that I list on the opening page if my book I don’t allow: The Wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald,, Stairway to Heaven, Freebird and American Pie. The first two are crowd killers and the last two I don’t want to hear butchered and sung badly they are crowd killers as well.

    Case in point, last night we went to a KJ’s final show at a local bar and he didn’t have much of a crowd (hence his last night.) About 11 a bit of a crowd started building and they were rocking some songs. At the top of the rotation the KJ sang…. The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald. The crowd melted away in minutes. By midnight there were 8 people left in the bar.

    Bottom line they are there to have fun and we must grin and bear it through the 1000th butchering of Picture or some such. It goes with the territory. And truly, I’d probably relent on one of my four ‘banned’ songs if a singer wanted to sing one badly enough. But I haven’t had anyone ask in over a year. That one? Was the aforementioned KJ singing at one of my shows ๐Ÿ™‚

    1. My KJ actually asked me to sing “Picture” with him as a duet. So not every one of them has the same opinion. The thing is regardless of how you KJs feel about who is singing what. You KJ songs and you hear the songs over and over. It is your choice. People cannot sing every song. Like me I have a awesome voice but I am female tenor and some notes are hard for me to hit, so I am limited on songs that stay in my range. If the KJs get tired of playing or hearing the songs then they need to change their profession. They also need to keep in mind the other people whether they are butchering the song at least they are trying and they should not be punished because the KJ thinks they are not a good enough singer or not a professional singer, that is why it is Karaoke. Personally NO SONG SHOULD BE BANNED. It is Karaoke. If someone leaves because a person sings bad they were leaving anyways…..seriously, all they had to do was wait a couple of minutes until the next singer. No excuses needed and dont need to blame ordinary people because people come and go. I go to karaoke every week. People dont leave because of bad singers they leave because they are either just tired or have to get up early or they have something else to do. So stop blaming it on a singer. UGH

  19. If anyone hosts shows in family friendly places, you cannot leave off “Let It Go” from Fozen as a song I could do without. Especially when I’ve got 4 different 7 year olds fighting over it. I don’t like to allow repeats at my shows. I’m only there for a 4 hour block, can’t we hear all different songs in that short amount of time?? Any thoughts from other hosts on this issue?

  20. VELLY INTELESTING! As Colonel Klink would say. I enjoyed this article, a former KJ employee of mine BRAD sent this along to me. Top of the list, the guy who has done 4000 shows in 12 years, it’s possible to do that IF you are doing multiple shows in A DAY but to put the calculator to it, I can SWEAR that me and my company are doing 6 shows a week and have for almost 20 years since 1995 when I bought the equipment from a Karaoke bar and started my own company. Now I have 10 DJs (5 who do nothing but Karaoke, 5 only weddings and proms) who Karaoke across the state and YES we have done over 10,000 shows so far (it’s easy with multiple KJs working for you) but it’s taken 20 years to do it. But who’s counting. We “pros” have seen it all haven’t we? The great singers, the poor singers, children and really old fellers. I’ve enjoyed my time in the KJ business and have seen everything listed here. Concerning the policy of to tip or not to tip, I’ll admit that at one high volume club where ANYTHING GOES I did offer the $5 will get you 10, $10 will get you within 5, $20 will get you next and $50 will get you three IN A ROW but to all that are gasping right now, it’s a rarity that I do that any longer. I DID BAN PICTURE for a couple of years but I’m mellow about it now. I DID BAN SINGERS who pissed me off with their lousy singing, habitually dropping the mike or spiking it (hey Shures ain’t cheap)(yes I’ve used crappy mics and that’s what you get in return) or were abusive toward the audience or myself. I currently will not allow a VERY POPULAR PERSON to sing at all because she can’t complete a sentence with dropping the F-Bomb every 30 seconds. She said I’ll get the owner to FIRE YOU if you don’t let me sing. I told her THAT’S GREAT! I NEED A NIGHT OFF. My God, the threats! When someone gets into my face because I don’t have a song, or I cut them off because they are overly bad or they are just being an ass, I’ll get on the mic and publicly humiliate them. It works every time. THE ONE TIME I had to draw my gun (yes dear I carry concealed but not in 51% bars) was when I had this guy ejected from the bar for saying racial epitaphs and he meets me outside with a baseball bat after the show closed. Thank God for cell phones and local police. MY ONE WRITTEN IN STONE RULE SINCE DAY ONE 1994 has been NO BURNED MUSIC. With the fall of all the major manufacturing contributors of Karaoke (Sound Choice and Chartbusters among them), BOOTLEG MUSIC has been the bane of Karaoke forever. Hand me a burned disc and I’ll break it right before your eyes. True. I’m using KARAOKE CLOUD PRO now at 9 bars now and LOVE IT. Sadly I see Karaoke with live KJs coming to a close in the next decade. Tighter restrictions on producing backing tracks is making licensing tougher and JUKEBOX Karaoke is making advances and is such that bars are now hiring regular servers to hand the mic off to customers who pay their dollar to THE MACHINE. But I’ve had fun these last 20 years, Karaoke has been good gravy and I’ve paid my host DJs well to boot.
    We each have our own style and idiosyncrasies but in the end it’s up to the customer to support or kill a show. I’ve been fortunate these last 20 years and have met a lot of wonderful people. Thanks for the article, I’ll re-post it to my site. THE PARTY DOC. http://www.weddingdjreceptions.com.

  21. I have been a KJ for going on 10 years, and I pride myself on running a fair show. If I get to a point that I don’t think I will get to a singer, I will let them know right up front. You are put into the rotation when you enter the room (regulars), or put your first song in, I will not remove you from the rotation until you leave, or my show ends. I would NEVER disrespect a customer in some of the ways you mention here, I bite my tongue a lot, but, I am respectful at all times. I will agree that if someone gets too drunk, I will cut them off. Overall this is a good informative article …

    1. Thanks. I recently started subbing for a local KJ, so I’m starting to understand the real pain that a KJ goes through. I’ll write a follow-up to this one with some “updated” view points.

      1. Thanks Ronald…Many of my fellow DJ/KJ s go through this…we put our all and if our people do not like the place well we get blamed….no respect at all…

  22. I have a peeve as a KJ 6 years now…When a business expects you to have your following and build their business because their business is not doing well…they expect you to promote and pay for ads etc….Bars with no food, even worse!!!If your bar sucks then we need to call Bar Rehab!!!!

  23. A tip is an expression of appreciation for a job well done. I’ve received many tips as a KJ at private parties, but only once at a bar gig. In every case, though, the tip was given to me at the end of the event (or, in the case of the bar gig, when the woman was leaving and on her way out the door) with no expectations of any kind – just a way of saying “thanks for a job well done, I/we had a great time.”

    There’s another word for what most of you are talking about here, which is slipping someone money in exchange for receiving preferential treatment over other people relying on the same service – in this case, waiting to sing a karaoke song. The word is “bribery,” and when a corporation does it with a foreign government, it’s a major felony with millions of dollars in fines on the line. Karaoke isn’t exactly the same stakes, obviously, but the principle is the same. If someone tries to gain an advantage with you over other people waiting to sing by giving you money, that’s a bribe. In fact, it would be hard to come up with a clearer example of a bribe in everyday life. You may not like the word, you may object to the word, you can get indignant and be offended that I’ve used the word, you may choose to obscure the reality by calling it a “tip,” or you may be in denial over the fact that you’re accepting bribes, but none of the above changes the fact that that is precisely what you’re doing. Aside from the ethical issue, it’s a guarantee that you’ll eventually have big, big problems with your clients/customers/guests, as others have pointed out here…..and sometimes not eventually, but immediately.

    I’ve had a couple of people casually hand me a song slip with a $5 bill poking out underneath it, but again, only at private events, never at a bar gig. The first time I almost laughed because the guy was a little nervous and I felt like I was in a bad movie. I told him “I’m sorry, I don’t do that” and he was cool about it. The 2 or 3 other times it’s happened the guys were surprised but respectful. One of them kept apologizing over and over as if he had grievously wounded me. I told him it was OK, it’s just not something I do and it’s always been my policy. A karaoke party isn’t the place for moralizing – just say no, end of story. A couple of people have asked “what can I do to get bumped up in the order?” and I say “Ummm, nothing. Go back and have a great time and wait your turn.”

    My policy (your mileage may vary): I don’t accept bribes and everyone has to wait their turn (with reasonable exceptions regarding waiting one’s turn, e.g. newcomers and emergencies). I’m not saying that everyone else should have the same policy – you all are free to run your shows however you like and accept any kind of money that’s tossed your way for whatever reason whatsoever. But let’s be honest about what is taking place when people hand us money in order to move up in the singing order. They’re not “tipping” you, folks.

    1. Well put sir. Since I’ve started hosting, I do not take tips to get people in faster, etc. I’ve found that when I do take a “bribe” the person now suddenly thinks I am working for them and that I have to now “earn” my tip.

  24. Tipping is a nice idea but all the KJ’s I know get paid very well to do their job and are there for 3-4 hours and specifically say no tipping. And because someone tips you does not give you the right to put them in more than someone who doesnt tip and is waiting to sing. There needs to be a proper standard and etiquite to follow and if it is not followed then the profession should probably be changed to one that is on the up and up.

    Also, you are wrong about the Song “Picture” with Kidrock and Sheryl Crow. I believe your dislike for the song has clouded your opinion. And your opinion does not constitute all KJ’s opinions. The KJ were I go actually asked me to sing that with him as a duet. Not my choice but HIS but we did an awesome job together and it sounded great and everyone loved it. Karaoke is to be able to sing anything you want whether it is Country, Rock, Showtunes, Elvis, 80’s, Rap, etc. You do not get to choose what someone choice of music is, that is not right. People have different styles or just want to be silly sometimes or want to make people smile. Personally i hate the songs with smut or bad language in them but i tolerate them because it is that individuals choice. Karaoke is not supposed to be just for perfect singers or professional singers it is for anyone who just likes to have fun. I have been singing since i was a toddler and doesnt bother me to be on stage many people it is a struggle so I can respect those who sing regardless how good they are because I realize those who cannot sing that well make a lot of effort to get out there and do what they do!

    Keep singing everyone and always sing whatever is in your heart, not what people tell you should sing.

  25. I enjoyed reading this and seeing the same problems everywhere. I bought a cheap dell on ebay for my list and keep it close by my side to assist those who have never used excel. Also the tricerasoft website is helpful for keeping folks abreast of the songs actually on karaoke. I buy the credits ahead of time and can have the new stuff in a minute. Thumping a mic has never made it work and I will drop you and your friends for dropping my mic. Money is good here in Jax at my experience level so I hide the tip jar to alleviate pressure. Love those regulars out to have fun can’t stand the ones who think they deserve a recording contract and want to distort my sound to fit their needs. I have lost most of those by not kissing their asses. Sorry got excited, too passionate

  26. I love tips but when it becomes a bribe I get downright hostile. When I get a fat tip I put a star on their request slip. If an occasion arises where I have some discretion, too many ballads in a row or whatever, I ‘may’ move them up over someone who has not tipped.

    On one occasion, a night with a 30+ rotation, an obviously entitled young man walked in with his trophy girlfriend, plopped down a $100 bill and announced to me that his girlfriend sings next. I politely decline his tip with ‘sorry, the rotation is full. I’m not accepting any new singers’. The look on his face was worth every penny I declined.

    He promptly complained to the bartender, who came to me on his behalf and told me the guy is a total douchebag but spends a lot of money at the bar, is there anything I could do? I appreciated the subtle way the bartender approached me and pleaded his case. He wasn’t ordering me to accommodate the guy, and he left the decision entirely up to me…which is always where it ends up anyway.

    So I pled his case to my audience. “We have a gentleman who wants to tip me $100 to go next. If anyone in the rotation objects I won’t accept. But if you all say it’s OK, I will draw some old request slips for free drinks’

    The crowd enthusiastically approved so his GF got to sing, I didn’t look like a jerk (to anyone but the now embarrassed young man), and 10 people got free drinks. It was a good night.

  27. On point observations other than the “tipping to get favor” aspect. There is a HUGE difference between tipping and bribing. As a full time KJ, I do love tips, I do not accept bribes. If I am going the extra mile I have earned a tip. If you appreciate my skill at my job I accept a tip…but bribes are not accepted or appreciated. I appreciate the folks who can wait their turn. The hardest part of karaoke is waiting patiently. Rotation management is the hardest part of the KJs job.

  28. Some good points. I’d add “Sweet Caroline” to that list. It’s like milk that’s past it’s expiration date…way….past it’s expiration date.

    1. and don’t TAP TAP TAP on the mike to see if it’s live… talk into it, or make some verbal noise. It’s a mic, not a drum.

  29. I’ve been a kj for 23 years. I’ve seen and heard the good, the bad and the ugly! I enjoyed your article. Plenty of truths and yes every kj runs differently. I have always stood by the standard that this is karaoke and it is for fun. I once had to post in my bars “if you think you are better than everyone else, it’ll cost you $10 per singer you jump in front of to be next. So please don’t bother asking” that pretty much settled that point ๐Ÿ™‚

  30. I mostly like what you said, but asking how many singers come before you is exactly the same as asking when you’re up next. It’s the same question! Nothing wrong with asking anything if you’re polite. Some KJ’s have a list nearby on a chalkboard with the names of the singers, so you can see without bugging the KJ or they have a system where the song numbers come up on the top of the screen in order.

    Secondly, you haven’t heard me sing Girls Just Wanna Have Fun! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I’ve done karaoke in 34 states plus a few other countries, so I’ve seen a lot of KJ’s. Most do take tips. Only the sleazy ones will take bribes.

  31. Regarding tipping: I am a regular, and I’ve had the KJ tell me in advance that someone gave a $50 or $100 tip to move up in the rotation or sing the last song when I was supposed to do so. I’m not pissed off at all. I know it won’t be done for some drunk moron who wants to impress his girlfriend, and I am happy to see the KJ get an unexpected bonus. Also, unlike the johnny-come-lately, I know I can call or text the KJ and say I am on my way and get put in the rotation before I get there.

  32. Greetings, my name is Terry Jones and I live in Seminole, Fl. A suburb of Tampa Bay. I am better known in this market as the Godmother of Karaoke as I have worked in the Tampa market since 1989 selling the product of karaoke. Youโ€™re probably thinking to yourself, wow she is as old as my grandmother and if you are a little older you might think of me as your Aunt who is a little bit crazy but lots of fun. I started in the market renting karaoke equipment and working with the local entertainers who hosted the shows in the different nightclubs and bars as well as providing equipment and emcees for large companies such as Arbysโ€™ where we traveled to Nashville Tennessee, The American Softball Association, AT&T and the 25th Superbowl where my company was selected the official karaoke company. There were many events, too many to list but rest assured, the big companies paid big money such as the Tennessee Gig that paid my company over $2,000.00 and all of the expenses such as hotel room, meals, and travel for a basic karaoke presentation. Not only did I get to see Nashville I was privileged to see just how a big event operates with over 6000 participants where the karaoke was the highlight of the event.
    All in all with over 26 years in the industry Iโ€™ve learned a few things and I am working on a presentation that is all about packaging your karaoke. Most karaoke companies operate very similarly with an emcee who calls the singers up to the stage and the emcee adjusts the sound the best he/she can depending on his/her experience but the one thing that is missing is the package where the emcee represents the club, the dress, the personal hygiene and the director of the entertainment. So many donโ€™t know what their job is and they wonder why they arenโ€™t chosen for the big gigs where the money is sweet and a big advance in paying the bills. This package I am working on will explain the difference between bar karaoke and private parties vrs. corporate karaoke and when I finish telling all I will come back to this site and post a link where anyone who frequents this site can purchase the information if they choose to. Currently I offer karaoke consultation to cruise lines that I won’t mention to avoid competition and I have also worked with Breezes and Beaches Hotels in the Caribbean. As far as this site and the content it sounds like many of you but not all are going through what I call Karaoke Burnout. What is Karaoke Burnout? It is when you sweat the small stuff and when you allow those things to affect your mind it knocks you out of the box to go onto better things. I did enjoy reading this presentation and I look forward to your comments. TLJ

    1. Terry it sounds like our backgrounds run fairly parallel. I was a big piano bar fan until a friend of mine told me about this new thing where you sang to a song with no vocal background, and read the lyrics from a sheet of paper. I tried it and I was done with piano bars.

      My journey led me from being a ‘circuit’ singer (visiting several karaoke bars a night) to helping the host, to finally running my own show. I eventually quit my full time job and dove head first into the karaoke world and scored a 7 night a week gig, which forced me to hire someone for the first time in my life.

      One of my regulars had an office party and wanted to know how much to bring all my stiff and do a show for them. That got me started in the corporate event world. Another regular was getting married and although I told her I had never even BEEN to a wedding, she told me she would show me what to do, when to do it and asked that I play some dance music when no one was singing. Now I was a wedding DJ that also did karaoke and that took off like a rocket.

      Eventually the corporate events and weddings started to interfere with my bar gig so I gave it up, working exclusively for corporate events and weddings. While there have been many forays into fringe areas (such as cruise lines and residencies) to test the waters, karaoke remains the foundation of my business 26 years later. I wouldn;t have it any other way.

  33. For those who accept bribes happily, I am reminded of the old anecdote, credited to many famous people, most notably Winston Churchill… none accurately, but nonetheless…goes like this…

    Churchill: “Madam, would you sleep with me for five million pounds?” Socialite: “My goodness, Mr. Churchill… Well, I suppose… we would have to discuss terms, of course… ”
    Churchill: “Would you sleep with me for five pounds?”
    Socialite: “Mr. Churchill, what kind of woman do you think I am?!” Churchill: “Madam, we’ve already established that. Now we are haggling about the priceโ€ .

  34. Tipping to get bumped is the DJ/KJs preference – however – I caution you immensely. You are placing a CHEAP value on your services and will REALLY tick people off. I WILL do this if it’s a new singer and they want to be the FIRST New singer I add in to the rotation – however – once in – that’s where you stay – another preference I will allow is First / Last Song of the night – unless I can fit everyone in, then they wait – tippers get a preference – and I will announce to everyone what I am doing – No Secrets ! Every show is to the DJ’s preference, but keep it honest – you ll be respected, and tips will come in because they will “fight” to be “important” for the moment !

    Song wait … I tell each person it will be 5 minutes per song for every person in front of you – if I add dance music in between – then add that. Yes people are going to complain – but it’s MY show – I decide how much fun the crowd is having. Contrary to popular belief of every singer – WE ARE NOT HERE to ONLY HEAR YOU – If that were true – you would have your own show – you obviously don’t or you wouldn’t be singing Karaoke ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Please – keep the mics at your table and have a conversation after singing – then set the mics on table in beer or food etc … and leave any books open for said consumables to be poured/dumped over them as well.
    I stopped printing books completely and use OLD laptops for song searching – problem resolved – although because they are typically not FLASH INSTANT – the customers will always complain ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Every patron knows the song(s) everyone wants to hear – they know this because it’s on their phone music list. ” They ” could be a DJ and they are WAY better than you … they just haven’t bought the equipment/songs and figured out how to run it yet … So just play their music and you’ll see why ๐Ÿ˜‰ Heh Hem

    Please Harass the DJ – place your chesticles on their arm and press while demanding your next song request. It’s so much better than tipping. Guys – please do the same to a female … and you ll be in cuffs after being physically beaten down !!

    Closing thoughts – DJ’s pay big money for the equipment/songs – any abuse of it shows complete lack of respect for the DJ and his/her show … Beyond showing what a complete narcissistic tool you can be. We are their because we love music and people in general, and WANT to have a good time. We don’t make BIG bucks – this is typically a hobby and want to share it. Do everything you learned in 1st grade on how to treat people – and you’ll find quite an enjoyable experience. and DO NOT SING PICTURE !! UGH !! It’s like drunk texting – you are going to regret it !

  35. Since I’ve started hosting myself, I’ve kinda changed my view on tips a bit.

    I still think they are absolutely acceptable, and if a person wants to tip their way in, it should be up to the KJ whether to allow it.

    There was one occasion where I was hosting at a bar. One of the bartenders died recently under tragic circumstances, so I announced that all tips would go to help cover funeral expenses, etc. In that case, tipping did get the patron special privileges, and I ended up raising about $200 and the crowd didn’t seem to care that much.

    In another instance, at a different bar, I had twenty people line up the moment I got my equipment ready. The rotation started at 25, which generally means you only get to sing once for a 3 hour show, twice if you are lucky. I started doing what my boss recommends, which is take the current singer, and add a new singer behind them in the rotation. This meant some people would have had to wait for 28+ singers to finish before ever having a glimpse of singing. The nagging was incessant and I refused to take tips to let anybody bump since literally almost the entire bar wanted to sing and it would have been a disaster if someone was bumped.

    Several people complained to the manager, but I refused to take a tip for a bump, and after 11:30 (show ends at 1am), I started telling people I can put them in the rotation, but unless people left, they weren’t going to sing.

    So, I think it’s on a case-by-case basis. Know your regs, and if you’ve been doing karaoke for awhile, you know who the douches and one-timers are almost immediately.

  36. Ronald – Thanks for the entertaining read. Let’s just say I think some of those things were a bit more accurate than others, but it was still a fun post.

    BTW – You were talking about how most KJs hate this or hate that….but you left a big one out: “BALLAD HELL”. Most KJs hate it with a passion.

    Any experienced KJ will tell you that one of the quickest ways to kill a karaoke show is for everyone to sing a bunch of slow / sad songs all night. It sucks the energy out of the room, and customers end up either falling asleep, getting depressed, or ultimately, leaving. Super frustrating situation for a host to deal with.

    Ballad Hell might make a good subject for a future karaoke-related post. And now that you’ve started hosting yourself, I’d be interested to hear your take on it.

    RE: Repetitive Songs: Sorry, KJS – but if hearing a particular song over and over again bugs you, you really need to go flip hamburgers somewhere. Song repetition is part of the job, and if you can’t handle it, you shouldn’t be hosting. Hell, after 25 years, I don’t even hear the song anymore….I just hear the MIX. LOL

    Truth is, this subject makes me a little mad. I’ve just seen too many people turn away from karaoke because of this kind of stupid crap from KJs. It’s not a singer’s fault that 500 people already sang that particular song. To them, it’s “their song”, and they shouldn’t have their experience ruined just because the KJ’s a friggin’ burnout who’s heard the tune too many times.

    And to address the inevitable argument of, “I’m just looking out for the regulars who hate that song, too”….shame on you for letting the regulars get like that in the first place. There are lots of ways a KJ can make an “overplayed” song more interesting or entertaining.

    For instance….during musical breaks, I sometimes use a dry erase board to make funny comments, write up trivia questions about the song, or display crowd participation parts. It ain’t that hard, folks.

    1. I don’t get irritated when I hear the same song over and over. I’m like you, I tune it out or tweak my list. Always something to do.

      What is a minor pet peeve of mine is when a regular shows up and just does the same exact songs every single time. One duo does the same version of a song every time they show up, and yes, the crowd goes wild because they’ve never seen them do it before. But ugh, after the 20th time, it’s just yawn. I say minor pet peeve because if the song is a crowd pleaser, let it go (pun intended), but if the song is a crowd drainer, ick.

      My KJ friend (I don’t host much anymore) always challenges me to do songs I thought were impossible, but turned out to be pretty awesome.

      It’s karaoke! Always be out to try new things.

  37. Let’s be clear here – a TIP is a token of appreciation for the service you have given.

    When you are taking money from patrons who expect to be given special treatment and moved up in the queue it is no longer a tip but a BRIBE.

    I appreciate that being a KJ can be an unforgiving, even thankless job at times, but this kind of shady manipulation flips the bird at the public you are supposed to be providing entertainment for.

    Any KJ who truly knows his or her game would be above this and operate fairly and professionally.

  38. Fine, tips are bribes, but so what? You tip to either show gratitude for service, or to get improved service. It’s just the way tips work.

    If you want better service from a bartender, you throw him a $1 or $2 tip per drink, and the next time you show up at the bar, you’ll magically get better service. Want crazy good service and get bumped in front of the hot girls? Slip the bartender a $10 tip and he/she is yours the rest of the night.

    Want better service at a restaurant? Slip the hostess a $20 and like magic, everybody is waiting on you.

    When I was at a bar for New Year’s Eve, where you had to pay $200 just to reserve a table, I tipped our waiter $100 up front and said keep the drinks coming. At the magic hour where it was standing room only and basically impossible to move, she still managed to find us for drinks.

    So, tips are bribes? Ok. Now what?

    1. Tipping a waitress to ensure good service is a tip. Just like a tip may ensure that even on a busy night I am paying special attention to your sound so you are dialed in perfectly when you sing.

      If you give a Maitre D’ $100 to get you a table when there is a 2 hour wait, that is a bribe, not a tip. You are taking advantage of everyone waiting for a table. Your behavior is impacting them negatively and that is just wrong.

      The difference between a tip and a bribe may be subtle, and there are most certainly grey areas, but we can all agree that when you use money to gain an advantage over other people it is a bribe right?

  39. No, tips are NOT bribes. Bribes are bribes.

    You’ve shamelessly boasted of your corrupt nature and shown what you really think of the patrons as a whole.

    I feel I need say no more.

  40. This is amazing. I’m a KJ in Nashville so I get the best and worst of them all. I actually had a girl come up on stage tonight and scramble all the songs and put hers up front. Then she was surprised when I threw away her slip. And this was after she asked me 10 times when she was up. Another good thing to keep in mind is most karaoke hosts are not drinking. So when singers come up there acting like complete jerks it’s really easy to boot em. And “picture” WORST SONG EVER! Followed by whiskey lullaby and don’t stop believing. No you are not cool just because you sing journey. Be original. And most of all be respectful. I am not a tip hungry money mongrel on stage. My main goal is to make sure everyone leaves with positive reviews and comes back for more. If someone is patient and doesn’t ask a thousand times when they are up I make sure they don’t have to wait too terribly long to sing. And i have a little trick. Every time a person asks “how long” I move them down another slot. I have plenty of patient respectful people who want to sing who aren’t as wasted as you are. And when someone drops the mic they are automatically kicked out. That’s bar rules. Equipment is expensive. And we cut off slow songs at 10pm. DO NOT put in “strawberry wine” or “does he love you” and proceed to tell me it will get the crowd going. My goodness. And lastly, put your dang cigarette out. You look like a fool.

  41. Oh and the tip to skip thing. If someone is that dang desperate to be the center of attention for 4 minutes, let them. Most of the time my wait is so long people usually leave before its their turn. They get distracted and bounce to the next bar. How can you say it’s unacceptable to accept a tip when sometimes you call a person’s name and they don’t even come up. Guess they didn’t wanna sing that bad. The only thing rude about tip to skip is announcing it over the mic. It’s should be a DL conversation between you and that person. KJs who don’t accept tips are just stupid.

  42. Why do karaoke venues have so few songs by Delbert McClinton who is a great singer but possibly one of the most underrated male vocalists? I love singing his songs, but the venues who have any of his songs have only a few of his best ones.

  43. You didn’t even cover screaming in the microphone and mass distortion. I almost had to smash a guys face in collecting the money from him for screaming in the equipment. If you’ve never been at a large venue and had someone grab your microphone and scream as loud as they can 3x then you know why it’s 3x too many.

    1. Amanda, I could not disagree with you more. For one thing, not everyone waiting to sing a favorite song gets ‘distracted’ as you suggest and moves on to the next bar. It may be more important to some people than it is to you. Singing one’s favorite songs at the bar of of their choice may be the way they have planned their evening which someone like you has ruined because of your dubious sense of entitlement. Many people myself included are loyal to only one or two bars because those venues have the songs we want to sing and seldom go to others. I have nothing against tipping. I do it when I can afford to but never expect to get moved up ahead of people who have been waiting before I signed up for a song. You should practice the golden rule and never underestimate how offensive you may be to others.

  44. I tell people that want to bribe me that if they would like to buy everyone ahead of them a drink , they are more than welcome to sing next. One time a guy offered to give me a $100 dollar bill to go next , I got on the mic and to the crowd said , hey everybody, this guy said he wAnts to buy all the singers a drink if he can go next…… Boom, not one person said no, he was happy, bar was happy, I was happy . That’s the only way I would do that, but I do appreciate tips , but normally , unless it’s a special occasion, it’s not gonna get you up any faster .

  45. As a 20 yr KJ I have a rotation, every new singer goes to the bottom when they sign up, UNLESS it’s a $100 tip(yes it happened once, only once lol), if you want to give me $100 to sing next? OK THEN, but I do let everyone know that you gave the $100. But if you want to sing more? show up when the show starts, Period…. As far as “Banning” songs or saying they’re “Broken” ie Picture, Friends, Love Shack, Don’t stop believing ect ect.. I don’t do that, You want to sing it? I’ll play it…and Freebird has a long instrumental at end, I fade out….And truthfully(for me anyway) I get more enjoyment from the “bad” singers up there having a blast to a great singer that knows they are anyday. Just standing up & singing is the best feeling ever….KJ LonghaiR

  46. I as a karaoke singer do agree that if you do tip it should not boost you in the rotation. Screwing with the rotation is a kiss of death. I was at a bar when the KJ started taking “tips” and it was NOT well received. The regulars got pissed, one brought his friends and they left and never returned. There was another KJ who thought that being partial to all the ladies and boosting them in the rotation over the regulars was a good move. He was wrong. Don’t get a me wrong there is nothing worse than a long (sometimes an hour and a half to 2 hours on super busy nights, but on party nights normally like an hour) rotation. That’s part of the game though, mellow out, enjoy the singers and the songs. Drink, go outside an smoke. Try to enjoy so you won’t be able to sing the 5 songs you wanted to sing or you won’t be able to sing the 10 minute song you really like. Sit, relax and enjoy, and I need to take this advice as well lol.

    1. People who think they have some special entitlement to jump ahead in line really offend me. If it is allowed it will be the last time I waste my time or money in the joint.

  47. We’ve been in business since 1980. Yes our Personality DJ’s can accept a tip on private parties at the end of the night, the few bars we do they are allowed to accept a tip but rarely do & never promote one person in line for another. We do a little over 600 events, private parties & bar gigs a year. Our people are paid well & tips are just an added bonus. The biggest problem with tips in a bar situation, is like politics, the tipper usually wants something in return. No Thank you, all your customers are important not just people with a big wallet & a big head.

  48. Am I an annoying regular? I discovered your article by looking over my KJ’s shoulder to check on my wait time. I guess on a hectic night, just hovering is pretty annoying too. When I only drink water, I try to be a helpful bar citizen to compensate. I’ve picked 8-minute songs by Metallica or Genesis, but usually to start or end the night. I NEVER give boring performances though!

    Tip the KJ when you can. Having a blast? Tip! Tip jar’s empty? Tip! Got spare cash? Tip! Some people prefer to buy drinks for the KJ.

    I dislike places where none of the government bureaucracy functions without bribery, but I understand the occasional KJ bribe. This one guy often tips at the Magic Level, and loves howling some new “bro” country song or “Tiny Dancer.” On a packed frat boy or bridesmaid night, I WISH I had $20 for a song!

    I’m thinking the country/rap preferences depend on the region and the venue. My KJ isn’t too keen on country, possibly because he’s a Yankee raised on R&B music. I’ve been to “family establishments” where all sorts of naughty lyrics slipped through, as long as the music wasn’t Black and newer than 1989.

    I enjoyed the tips, tricks, and personal histories from industry veterans. A bit depressing to think that quality human KJs might be extinct soon.

    Nice article. Good luck on wherever your KJ journey takes you, Ronald!

  49. I would never bump someone up for money and most of the other KJ’s I know would never do it. A tip should be for a good job done. The answer is always no.

  50. Been a KJ for a long while and I like the tips. I will bump someone in line and have 2 times. My rule is you have to buy the house a round. This slows them down.

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