Comments on: You Were Gay? No Christian Funeral For You. http://www.ronalfy.com/2007/08/15/you-were-gay-no-christian-funeral-for-you/ Life is a blog. I wanna write it. Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:43:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Tomhttp://www.ronalfy.com/2007/08/15/you-were-gay-no-christian-funeral-for-you/#comment-57115 Tom Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:52:13 +0000 http://www.ronalfy.com/2007/08/15/you-were-gay-no-christian-funeral-for-you/#comment-57115 I re-read this entire conversation. I read a lot of strong but differing opinions, most claiming to be Christian but were 180 degrees from each other!This is a classic example of why non-Christians have an attitude towards Christians and the Christian faith. In so many words, someone will make the comment "He / she will burn in hell because of his / her lifestyle....". But that same Christian will get drunk on Friday night, or will scream at someone for cutting him or her off at a light, or will "trash talk" a member of the opposite sex, etc, etc. You've all seen it, I have.My personal opinion is that I am 100% against homosexuality, but does this give me the right to judge someone else who is? No! But I do believe it is a sin! It's just not my job to pass judgement on that individual, which is exactly what half the posters in this blog did!Does this give me the right to say a Gay person does not have a right to join my Church? No, not any more right that I would have keeping an alcoholic or drug addict from joining my Church! It's a shame that this Church made a "business decision" to not do the right thing.I would expect a Gay person to work on his or her sins but it would be understandable if the person was not be able to overcome them. Some issues run too deep and although we all try to improve, we all fall short.....Tom I re-read this entire conversation. I read a lot of strong but differing opinions, most claiming to be Christian but were 180 degrees from each other!

This is a classic example of why non-Christians have an attitude towards Christians and the Christian faith. In so many words, someone will make the comment “He / she will burn in hell because of his / her lifestyle….”. But that same Christian will get drunk on Friday night, or will scream at someone for cutting him or her off at a light, or will “trash talk” a member of the opposite sex, etc, etc. You’ve all seen it, I have.

My personal opinion is that I am 100% against homosexuality, but does this give me the right to judge someone else who is? No! But I do believe it is a sin! It’s just not my job to pass judgement on that individual, which is exactly what half the posters in this blog did!

Does this give me the right to say a Gay person does not have a right to join my Church? No, not any more right that I would have keeping an alcoholic or drug addict from joining my Church! It’s a shame that this Church made a “business decision” to not do the right thing.

I would expect a Gay person to work on his or her sins but it would be understandable if the person was not be able to overcome them. Some issues run too deep and although we all try to improve, we all fall short…..

Tom

]]> By: Home Staginghttp://www.ronalfy.com/2007/08/15/you-were-gay-no-christian-funeral-for-you/#comment-56978 Home Staging Tue, 24 Mar 2009 02:16:48 +0000 http://www.ronalfy.com/2007/08/15/you-were-gay-no-christian-funeral-for-you/#comment-56978 Thank you! Very interesting information in this blog, I will return often. Thank you! Very interesting information in this blog, I will return often.

]]> By: Tracy Neafushttp://www.ronalfy.com/2007/08/15/you-were-gay-no-christian-funeral-for-you/#comment-47077 Tracy Neafus Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:48:42 +0000 http://www.ronalfy.com/2007/08/15/you-were-gay-no-christian-funeral-for-you/#comment-47077 It really bothers me when "Christians" group gay or lesbian peolpe with murders or child molesters,like we have so much in common! The fact that any church i sstill debating this issue makes me sick,they are sinning just by uttering the words that we will burn in Hell for being this way. I too do not attend church for the reasons alot of people who are gay do not. Every time I encounter someone who claims to be a Christian they tend to be the rudest most judgemental people I have ever met. Noone lives a life without sin,wether it be in thought or action we all sin. The thing is we will all have our judgement day so let that individual deal with that their self. God loves all those who he created so for peoplpe to say that anyone i sgoing to that burning place is crazy! When you accept Jesus into your life and your heart that does not mean that you can never fall,that is how we learn! I just believe that all people should have the same rights and that noone should have the right to decide wether you can be married or wether you are going to Heaven. Like I tell my 8 year daughter, treat people the way you want to be treated,I believe there are alot of adults who need to go back to the basics and learn how to respect all human beings!!!! It really bothers me when “Christians” group gay or lesbian peolpe with murders or child molesters,like we have so much in common! The fact that any church i sstill debating this issue makes me sick,they are sinning just by uttering the words that we will burn in Hell for being this way. I too do not attend church for the reasons alot of people who are gay do not. Every time I encounter someone who claims to be a Christian they tend to be the rudest most judgemental people I have ever met. Noone lives a life without sin,wether it be in thought or action we all sin. The thing is we will all have our judgement day so let that individual deal with that their self. God loves all those who he created so for peoplpe to say that anyone i sgoing to that burning place is crazy! When you accept Jesus into your life and your heart that does not mean that you can never fall,that is how we learn! I just believe that all people should have the same rights and that noone should have the right to decide wether you can be married or wether you are going to Heaven. Like I tell my 8 year daughter, treat people the way you want to be treated,I believe there are alot of adults who need to go back to the basics and learn how to respect all human beings!!!!

]]> By: lesbianlovingchristainhttp://www.ronalfy.com/2007/08/15/you-were-gay-no-christian-funeral-for-you/#comment-44617 lesbianlovingchristain Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:17:39 +0000 http://www.ronalfy.com/2007/08/15/you-were-gay-no-christian-funeral-for-you/#comment-44617 I am in a very loving relationship with my girlfriend. We attend church every Sunday. We give to the church in various ways. I am saved by my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. I love my family, I have two sons and a very supportive family, whom also attend church with my girlfriend and I. I have a job in which I care for people who are hurt and help them on the road to recovery. I do not steal, lie, murder, etc. But I am told that I am going to hell, by people who don't know the first thing about me.. or my family for that matter. I have turned to God in everyway possible. I love God. Why ... if He loves me the way I love Him, would He send me to hell for my girlfriend and I loving each other unconditionally. Just because we have the same parts in our pants????? What I've been taught is that love has nothing to do with flesh, but of the Spirit. This church sounds to me like they are not loving in the Spirit of the Lord, but in the fleshy pockets of the congregation. I am in a very loving relationship with my girlfriend. We attend church every Sunday. We give to the church in various ways. I am saved by my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. I love my family, I have two sons and a very supportive family, whom also attend church with my girlfriend and I. I have a job in which I care for people who are hurt and help them on the road to recovery. I do not steal, lie, murder, etc. But I am told that I am going to hell, by people who don’t know the first thing about me.. or my family for that matter. I have turned to God in everyway possible. I love God. Why … if He loves me the way I love Him, would He send me to hell for my girlfriend and I loving each other unconditionally. Just because we have the same parts in our pants????? What I’ve been taught is that love has nothing to do with flesh, but of the Spirit. This church sounds to me like they are not loving in the Spirit of the Lord, but in the fleshy pockets of the congregation.

]]> By: Carolehttp://www.ronalfy.com/2007/08/15/you-were-gay-no-christian-funeral-for-you/#comment-24068 Carole Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:31:38 +0000 http://www.ronalfy.com/2007/08/15/you-were-gay-no-christian-funeral-for-you/#comment-24068 As a Christian... I agree with Jade. We must love one another. In my heart, I believe God is of a loving and forgiving nature. We must not fear Him. And as the Bible was supposedly written 40 years after Jesus Christ... I believe that we should not take everything by the literal word. There are many morals to be followed, and I do not see the moral in sending gays to hell. Considering that the societies in which the Bible has been passed down in have had great fears of what is different, such as a man loving another man or a woman loving another woman or a person loving both sexes, it is quite possible that some things have been left out of the Bible or changed. And who would have historical proof? I don't, no, of course. But it is very much possible. You can't deny it. Humans are imperfect beings, and have been known to sin. Gays could be good loving people, not murderers, who believe in God, Jesus Christ and his teachings, and may act on His behalf by expressing his love WITHOUT sinning as much as a straight person may. THAT is what it is to be Christian. I personally am friends with a gay Christian. To be homophobic (afraid of homosexuals) is just as horrible as being racist. As a Christian… I agree with Jade.
We must love one another. In my heart, I believe God is of a loving and forgiving nature. We must not fear Him. And as the Bible was supposedly written 40 years after Jesus Christ… I believe that we should not take everything by the literal word. There are many morals to be followed, and I do not see the moral in sending gays to hell. Considering that the societies in which the Bible has been passed down in have had great fears of what is different, such as a man loving another man or a woman loving another woman or a person loving both sexes, it is quite possible that some things have been left out of the Bible or changed. And who would have historical proof? I don’t, no, of course. But it is very much possible. You can’t deny it. Humans are imperfect beings, and have been known to sin. Gays could be good loving people, not murderers, who believe in God, Jesus Christ and his teachings, and may act on His behalf by expressing his love WITHOUT sinning as much as a straight person may. THAT is what it is to be Christian. I personally am friends with a gay Christian. To be homophobic (afraid of homosexuals) is just as horrible as being racist.

]]> By: Ronald Huerecahttp://www.ronalfy.com/2007/08/15/you-were-gay-no-christian-funeral-for-you/#comment-15478 Ronald Huereca Fri, 09 Nov 2007 02:16:54 +0000 http://www.ronalfy.com/2007/08/15/you-were-gay-no-christian-funeral-for-you/#comment-15478 Jade,Not all Christians think like the pastor of the church. And you make a good point: being gay doesn't automatically make someone a non-Christian.Let's hope more Christians can be accepting of alternate lifestyles.Just to make myself clear, being gay is not part of a Christian lifestyle, but at least Christians can be as accommodating as Jesus was when he dealt with prostitutes and tax collectors. Jade,

Not all Christians think like the pastor of the church. And you make a good point: being gay doesn’t automatically make someone a non-Christian.

Let’s hope more Christians can be accepting of alternate lifestyles.

Just to make myself clear, being gay is not part of a Christian lifestyle, but at least Christians can be as accommodating as Jesus was when he dealt with prostitutes and tax collectors.

]]> By: Jadehttp://www.ronalfy.com/2007/08/15/you-were-gay-no-christian-funeral-for-you/#comment-14940 Jade Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:38:03 +0000 http://www.ronalfy.com/2007/08/15/you-were-gay-no-christian-funeral-for-you/#comment-14940 :evil: this is rediculas. i am not a christion because of such beleifs. according to you guys and the bible god made everyone, even gay people. if he is any gos worth while why would he make some one go to hell because he "messed up"? i have nothing against gay people, they r part of our modern community so we had beter accept them. some people are so closed minded they dont bother to see what is in front of their own noses. just because some people thnk this is normal and some do not? normal is whoever you are, if a gay person beleives in god and worships him and truly is a good person, why would god be inconsiderate enough to send them to hell?? :evil: this is rediculas. i am not a christion because of such beleifs. according to you guys and the bible god made everyone, even gay people. if he is any gos worth while why would he make some one go to hell because he “messed up”? i have nothing against gay people, they r part of our modern community so we had beter accept them. some people are so closed minded they dont bother to see what is in front of their own noses. just because some people thnk this is normal and some do not? normal is whoever you are, if a gay person beleives in god and worships him and truly is a good person, why would god be inconsiderate enough to send them to hell??

]]> By: Danielhttp://www.ronalfy.com/2007/08/15/you-were-gay-no-christian-funeral-for-you/#comment-14706 Daniel Sat, 27 Oct 2007 23:19:37 +0000 http://www.ronalfy.com/2007/08/15/you-were-gay-no-christian-funeral-for-you/#comment-14706 Well, they shouldn't have expected the church to give. Considering they themselves were trying to provoke the none guy members of the church with an "openly gay men's chorus".I still have no idea why a man would want to engage in an unproductive act anyway. Well, they shouldn’t have expected the church to give. Considering they themselves were trying to provoke the none guy members of the church with an “openly gay men’s chorus”.

I still have no idea why a man would want to engage in an unproductive act anyway.

]]> By: fchttp://www.ronalfy.com/2007/08/15/you-were-gay-no-christian-funeral-for-you/#comment-14701 fc Sat, 27 Oct 2007 20:56:18 +0000 http://www.ronalfy.com/2007/08/15/you-were-gay-no-christian-funeral-for-you/#comment-14701 It is a shame how they did that family, We are all sinners, but i agree with some people he is more concerned about is fellowship sending in the money so he can drive the big old Benz, Lexus or BMW and live in his big mansion. It is a shame how they did that family, We are all sinners, but i agree with some people he is more concerned about is fellowship sending in the money so he can drive the big old Benz, Lexus or BMW and live in his big mansion.

]]> By: goolsbyhttp://www.ronalfy.com/2007/08/15/you-were-gay-no-christian-funeral-for-you/#comment-13941 goolsby Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:22:35 +0000 http://www.ronalfy.com/2007/08/15/you-were-gay-no-christian-funeral-for-you/#comment-13941 Being gay and christian is somewhat hypocritical. "I like the same sex, but believe in a religion that despises such a thing." Christian belief is that homosexuality is a sin...not, "Hey, if we are wanna look good in everyone's eyes we need to set aside our own beliefs to make sure no one gets mad at us." A gay man should not even be looking for religion in christianity because everything he stands for is wrong and according to the bible they are going to hell anyway, no matter how many times they attend church. The way i see it, if a religion begins bending the rules of their beliefs to benefit people who obviously do not follow those beliefs, then there really isnt much substance to that religion in the first place. What could be next? Maybe they can allow openly pedofilic or bestial sinners be clergymen for thier church just so people will think they are reaching out to "outsiders". Being gay and christian is somewhat hypocritical. “I like the same sex, but believe in a religion that despises such a thing.” Christian belief is that homosexuality is a sin…not, “Hey, if we are wanna look good in everyone’s eyes we need to set aside our own beliefs to make sure no one gets mad at us.” A gay man should not even be looking for religion in christianity because everything he stands for is wrong and according to the bible they are going to hell anyway, no matter how many times they attend church. The way i see it, if a religion begins bending the rules of their beliefs to benefit people who obviously do not follow those beliefs, then there really isnt much substance to that religion in the first place. What could be next? Maybe they can allow openly pedofilic or bestial sinners be clergymen for thier church just so people will think they are reaching out to “outsiders”.

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